Catholics bishops & priests have great influence with their people.our bishops are just like political leaders ,who travels extremly fast on roads to reach different churches to conduct marriage ,baptism etc of people who are capable of paying from their pockets.our bishops should find time to know each house details of their respective dioceous, i know its a great challenge but its practical today if they have time.
I believe this is a website that demands religious sanctity. Please avoid such understatements.Please don't politicise religion and this one thing we Orthodox brothers haven't learned.
Dears, Any good famous orthodox politician there who did not get seat?? By your cry may b that good for nothg Puthushery get one rajya sabha seat( What development he gave to his constituency for 20 years??) hen how any orthodox can vote for that lady with dubious past?? Hope she withdraw aftr gettg some sops .Kerala don’t want 2 c her fainting one mre
Commendable work by MOSC in building support on demand for LA seats through discussion. Church is late to realise the following: 1. Malankara orthodox christians are loosing their influence not only in politics but also in socio economic spheres of the society. Time for the leaders to identify the root cause for this erosion. 2. This is an opportunity for the church to show its strength to the world. I doubt there is enough ground work done to make the claim for 6 seats. If the church can't prove its strength and unity as votes, then the present move will be a disaster. 3. There is an allegation that certain bishops are behind the present move to help a leader. Its the responsibility of the bishops to clear this doubt. 4. The divide and dispute in the church are more to the north side of Kottayam. Though less in number, it is natural for people in the north who suffer from other side to show more unity than south. It is hence required to shift the focus to north kerala than the south.
Catholic Church is a greedy Church. After centuries of lust and greed in Europe, look at the state of their Church in Europe. Only 10 per cent of people go to church in DEurope, that too old people. They want ot do the same in India
Opposition leader Oommen Chandy and KPCC President Ramesh Chennithala meet H.H Baselios Marthoma Paulose II Catholicos at Kottayam Devalokam Catholicate Aramana Sunday evening...
SEE after dishonouirng their promises which they had given to OUR HH VALIYA BAVA Thirumeni, Congress has sent a new team. WHY we should trust them?
Our HH Paulose II bava went and met PM, Congress leader and requested them NOT TO Descrimin...ate on the basis of RELIGION. Now we'll see picture of Ommen Chandy and Chennitha in newspaper and think that we are supporing Congress. May we request HH Bava Thirumeni NOT to TRUST any of these politcians... DO Not issue any statement in a hurry.... LET THIS FIREE ENGULF THEM..
CONGRESS FACES TOUGH BATTLE IN MANY SEATS, DO NOT BE PACIFIED BY THEIR FALEE ASSURANCES. . .
We as Orthodox Christian should not worry about Poloitics!As Jesus said give what is due to Ceaser(Emperor) and what is due to God!We are supposed to follow the teachings of Christ!We should not field candidates in Elcections of political parties!Our Heirarchy and MTV should stay away from Election Campaign in Kerala!
It is better for our clergy to concentrate on Spirtual matters of our believers and leave the political scenario to our Laity which will handle far more better than clergy.Let the Sabha Laity lead the temporal matters ..... Adv Jacob..coimbatore
Church has nothing to do in politics.Government's job is to serve the people not based on which church he/she belongs to.Leaders of our church should stop bargaining for the seats.Instead they should urge people to choose the right candidate not based on cast/religion bust on his capability,personality,education etc..
1. Can a political in a secular, democratic country deriminate on the basis on one's religiuos affiliation?
2. Why has Congress which is a secular party selects candidaes on the of religious statisitcs of the constituency?
3. Why are politicians who say religion should NOT be mixed with politics visit religious leaders and seek their supprt?
4. Why are there parties like Kerala Congress wchih is actually Kattholikka Congress and Muslim league in the UDF?
5. Are they not including ministers according to one's religious background when forming ministry? (This practice is folowed in almost every othe sector of Indian democracy)
6. Did Gandhiji mix religion and politcs?
7. Why are Catholi biships demanding seats for each reeths and Roopaathas... AND CONGRESS OBLIGES
8. Was Edward Edezhatthu who lost in 2004 LOk election from Ernakulam a nominee of Syro Malabar sabha? Edezhatthu did not even had primary membership of the party.
9. Was not P C Alexander dened a ticket to contest for presidency due to his religios affiliation . (The Congress leader who advised Sonia Gandhi on this issue is also known for his secular views ... )
If Political parties (Read Congress) think Orthodox ar insignificant, why do they seek our support? Why Chennitthala visited HH Bav Thirumeni?
MTV is an online media. If Manorama, Mathrubhoomi, Dshabhimani .. and others have right to discuss politics,MTV too has the RIGHTto discuss election and politics. It is the editors prerogative..
HH Bava Thirumeni, Please do not fall for any offer from Chennittala on rajya sabha seat. Why we should take their nakka piccha. These are all fasle promises. Congress can never be trusted. We shoudl beat Kattholicca Congress candidates joininig hadns with Vellappally who is determined to do it
Lok sabha elections are coming after 3 and half years. And we should strengthen our unity.
Before the church prayed for holy sprit and its came. now the church praying to the presence of Chennithala and Chandi to the kottayam aramana. I am fearing that after some time diocese election and Bishop election also will conduct as left and right party people. Ohh God i am eagar to watch the Sunthroneeso of Chennithala and Chandi and be a member of their diocese.
Let me make it clear..i belong to orthodox church.i never meant "Not anybody from Orthodox church " as what Mr.Reni said..My opinion is spiritual leader of any religion should not take part in political matters..
പല സ്ഥലങ്ങളിലും അലഞ്ഞു തിരിഞ്ഞ ഞാന് അവസാനം എത്തെണ്ടാത്തു തന്നെ എത്തി” – സീറ്റ് ലഭിക്കാത്തതിന് ഈയിടെ CPM -ഇല് നിന്ന് രാജി വെച്ചു കോണ്ഗ്രെസ് നു വേണ്ടി തെരെഞ്ഞെടിപ്പ് പ്രചാരം നടത്തുന്ന സിന്ധു ജോയ് കത്തോലിക പള്ളിയില് വെച്ചു പറഞ്ഞു. (മനോരമ 28 മാര്ച്ച് 2011 )
എത്തേണ്ടിടത്ത് തന്നെ എത്തി. ഇനി സീറ്റ് കാര്യം അവര് നോക്കി കൊള്ളും. അത് ജനാധിപത്യ മര്യാദ, സ്വാഭാവീക നീതി, അര്ഹതയുള്ളത് ചോദിക്കുന്നു..
സിന്ധു ഓര്ത്തഡോക്സ് കരിയായി ആയിരുന്നെങ്കില് സീറ്റ് വാങ്ങി കൊടുക്കാന് നമുക്ക് സാധിക്കുമോ? അഥവാ ഒന്ന് ചോദിച്ചു പോയാല്.. എന്തൊരു പുകിലായിരിക്കും? … മെത്രാന്മാര് രാഷ്ട്രീയത്തില് ഇടപെടരുത്, സഭക്ക് politics -ഇല് എന്ത് കാര്യം…സഭയിലെ തന്നെ രാഷ്ട്രീയക്കാരും സഭ രാഷ്ട്രീയത്തില് ഇടപെടരുതീനു പറയുന്ന മാന്യന്മാരും പിന്നെ പത്രക്കാരും നേതാക്കളും എല്ലാം എത്തും സിന്ധു കത്തോലിക്കത്തി ആയത് കൊണ്ട് എല്ലാം ശുഭം ..എല്ലാവര്ക്കും അതൊരു തിരുനാള് തന്നെ…പത്രക്കാര്ക്ക് 8 കോളം പടം വാര്ത്ത, നാടെങ്ങും ആഘോഷം, അച്ചനും പള്ളിക്കും എല്ലാം സന്തോഷം… കോണ്ഗ്രസ്നു അതിലുപരി സന്തോഷം. (കഴിഞ്ഞ തവണ സിന്ധു കത്തോലിക്ക spokeman അച്ചനെ kandappol പത്രത്തില് വന്ന പടം ഓര്മ്മയുണ്ടോ?.) ഇതാണ് secularism.
ഇതിനെതിരെ എന്തെങ്കിലും orthodox -കാരന് ഉരിയാടിയാല് secular ചിന്ത ഇല്ലാത്ത അവന് ജനാധിപത്യത്തിന്റെ മുമ്പിലും, കര്ത്താവിന്റെ മുമ്പിലും ഒരുപോലെ പാപം ചെയ്തു. ഇനി അവനെ ക്രിസ്ത്യാനി എന്ന് വിളിക്കാന് പാടില്ല. കൂടാതെ രാഷ്ട്രീയക്കാരുടെ വക തീരുമാന്നം: സഭ രാഷ്ട്രീയത്തില് ഇടപെടുന്നു ആയതിനാല് ഈ ഓര്ത്തഡോക്സ് സഭയിലെ അംഗങ്ങള്ക്ക് ഭാവിയിലും ഒരു സീറ്റും നല്കാന് പാടില്ല….
@ Reni...Are you sure that Edward edayzhath was syro malabar nominee? possibility is latin catholic,.... am not sure. Anyway ee thavana orthodox-kaarum Yacobaayakkarum UDF-nu ethiraayathu kondu LDF thanne adhikarathil varumallo!!! Athrem santhosham..Result varumbol ariyam randu koottarudem jana shakthi..Lol
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Catholics bishops & priests have great influence with their people.our bishops are just like political leaders ,who travels extremly fast on roads to reach different churches to conduct marriage ,baptism etc of people who are capable of paying from their pockets.our bishops should find time to know each house details of their respective dioceous, i know its a great challenge but its practical today if they have time.
I believe this is a website that demands religious sanctity.
Please avoid such understatements.Please don't politicise religion and this one thing we Orthodox brothers haven't learned.
I believe this a website that demands religious sanctity. Pleas eavoid such understatements.This is something we haven't learned.
Newsine valachu oddikkunnennu oru athirille.......
In my opinion Bava thirumeni should issue kalpana to all parish churches regarding the real issues.
Dears, Any good famous orthodox politician there who did not get seat?? By your cry may b that good for nothg Puthushery get one rajya sabha seat( What development he gave to his constituency for 20 years??) hen how any orthodox can vote for that lady with dubious past?? Hope she withdraw aftr gettg some sops .Kerala don’t want 2 c her fainting one mre
Commendable work by MOSC in building support on demand for LA seats through discussion. Church is late to realise the following:
1. Malankara orthodox christians are loosing their influence not only in politics but also in socio economic spheres of the society. Time for the leaders to identify the root cause for this erosion.
2. This is an opportunity for the church to show its strength to the world. I doubt there is enough ground work done to make the claim for 6 seats. If the church can't prove its strength and unity as votes, then the present move will be a disaster.
3. There is an allegation that certain bishops are behind the present move to help a leader. Its the responsibility of the bishops to clear this doubt.
4. The divide and dispute in the church are more to the north side of Kottayam. Though less in number, it is natural for people in the north who suffer from other side to show more unity than south. It is hence required to shift the focus to north kerala than the south.
DO NOT TRUST POLITICIANS.
Catholic Church is a greedy Church. After centuries of lust and greed in Europe, look at the state of their Church in Europe. Only 10 per cent of people go to church in DEurope, that too old people. They want ot do the same in India
We should join hands with Vellappally to stop this greed of Catholics.
Opposition leader Oommen Chandy and KPCC President Ramesh Chennithala meet H.H Baselios Marthoma Paulose II Catholicos at Kottayam Devalokam Catholicate Aramana Sunday evening...
SEE after dishonouirng their promises which they had given to OUR HH VALIYA BAVA Thirumeni, Congress has sent a new team. WHY we should trust them?
Our HH Paulose II bava went and met PM, Congress leader and requested them NOT TO Descrimin...ate on the basis of RELIGION. Now we'll see picture of Ommen Chandy and Chennitha in newspaper and think that we are supporing Congress.
May we request HH Bava Thirumeni NOT to TRUST any of these politcians... DO Not issue any statement in a hurry.... LET THIS FIREE ENGULF THEM..
CONGRESS FACES TOUGH BATTLE IN MANY SEATS, DO NOT BE PACIFIED BY THEIR FALEE ASSURANCES. . .
We as Orthodox Christian should not worry about Poloitics!As Jesus said give what is due to Ceaser(Emperor) and what is due to God!We are supposed to follow the teachings of Christ!We should not field candidates in Elcections of political parties!Our Heirarchy and MTV should stay away from Election Campaign in Kerala!
It is better for our clergy to concentrate on Spirtual matters of our believers and leave the political scenario to our Laity which will handle far more better than clergy.Let the Sabha Laity lead the temporal matters .....
Adv Jacob..coimbatore
Plz give the two names of Orthodox candidate. Is CP John of CMP contesting at Kunnamkulam an Orthodx?
For the people
By the people
Not by the church.
Church has nothing to do in politics.Government's job is to serve the people not based on which church he/she belongs to.Leaders of our church should stop bargaining for the seats.Instead they should urge people to choose the right candidate not based on cast/religion bust on his capability,personality,education etc..
Cyril...
@Cyril
1. Can a political in a secular, democratic country deriminate on the basis on one's religiuos affiliation?
2. Why has Congress which is a secular party selects candidaes on the of religious statisitcs of the constituency?
3. Why are politicians who say religion should NOT be mixed with politics visit religious leaders and seek their supprt?
4. Why are there parties like Kerala Congress wchih is actually Kattholikka Congress and Muslim league in the UDF?
5. Are they not including ministers according to one's religious background when forming ministry? (This practice is folowed in almost every othe sector of Indian democracy)
6. Did Gandhiji mix religion and politcs?
7. Why are Catholi biships demanding seats for each reeths and Roopaathas... AND CONGRESS OBLIGES
8. Was Edward Edezhatthu who lost in 2004 LOk election from Ernakulam a nominee of Syro Malabar sabha? Edezhatthu did not even had primary membership of the party.
9. Was not P C Alexander dened a ticket to contest for presidency due to his religios affiliation . (The Congress leader who advised Sonia Gandhi on this issue is also known for his secular views ... )
I CAN WRITE 100 more points like this
What Cyril meant is this:
For the people
By the people
Not anybody from Orthodox church
If Political parties (Read Congress) think Orthodox ar insignificant, why do they seek our support? Why Chennitthala visited HH Bav Thirumeni?
MTV is an online media. If Manorama, Mathrubhoomi, Dshabhimani .. and others have right to discuss politics,MTV too has the RIGHTto discuss election and politics. It is the editors prerogative..
HH Bava Thirumeni, Please do not fall for any offer from Chennittala on rajya sabha seat. Why we should take their nakka piccha. These are all fasle promises. Congress can never be trusted. We shoudl beat Kattholicca Congress candidates joininig hadns with Vellappally who is determined to do it
Lok sabha elections are coming after 3 and half years. And we should strengthen our unity.
Before the church prayed for holy sprit and its came. now the church praying to the presence of Chennithala and Chandi to the kottayam aramana. I am fearing that after some time diocese election and Bishop election also will conduct as left and right party people. Ohh God i am eagar to watch the Sunthroneeso of Chennithala and Chandi and be a member of their diocese.
Let me make it clear..i belong to orthodox church.i never meant "Not anybody from Orthodox church " as what Mr.Reni said..My opinion is spiritual leader of any religion should not take part in political matters..
പല സ്ഥലങ്ങളിലും അലഞ്ഞു തിരിഞ്ഞ ഞാന് അവസാനം എത്തെണ്ടാത്തു തന്നെ എത്തി” – സീറ്റ് ലഭിക്കാത്തതിന് ഈയിടെ CPM -ഇല് നിന്ന് രാജി വെച്ചു കോണ്ഗ്രെസ് നു വേണ്ടി തെരെഞ്ഞെടിപ്പ് പ്രചാരം നടത്തുന്ന സിന്ധു ജോയ് കത്തോലിക പള്ളിയില് വെച്ചു പറഞ്ഞു. (മനോരമ 28 മാര്ച്ച് 2011 )
എത്തേണ്ടിടത്ത് തന്നെ എത്തി. ഇനി സീറ്റ് കാര്യം അവര് നോക്കി കൊള്ളും. അത് ജനാധിപത്യ മര്യാദ, സ്വാഭാവീക നീതി, അര്ഹതയുള്ളത് ചോദിക്കുന്നു..
സിന്ധു ഓര്ത്തഡോക്സ് കരിയായി ആയിരുന്നെങ്കില് സീറ്റ് വാങ്ങി കൊടുക്കാന് നമുക്ക് സാധിക്കുമോ? അഥവാ ഒന്ന് ചോദിച്ചു പോയാല്.. എന്തൊരു പുകിലായിരിക്കും? … മെത്രാന്മാര് രാഷ്ട്രീയത്തില് ഇടപെടരുത്, സഭക്ക് politics -ഇല് എന്ത് കാര്യം…സഭയിലെ തന്നെ രാഷ്ട്രീയക്കാരും സഭ രാഷ്ട്രീയത്തില് ഇടപെടരുതീനു പറയുന്ന മാന്യന്മാരും പിന്നെ പത്രക്കാരും നേതാക്കളും എല്ലാം എത്തും
സിന്ധു കത്തോലിക്കത്തി ആയത് കൊണ്ട് എല്ലാം ശുഭം ..എല്ലാവര്ക്കും അതൊരു തിരുനാള് തന്നെ…പത്രക്കാര്ക്ക് 8 കോളം പടം വാര്ത്ത, നാടെങ്ങും ആഘോഷം, അച്ചനും പള്ളിക്കും എല്ലാം സന്തോഷം… കോണ്ഗ്രസ്നു അതിലുപരി സന്തോഷം. (കഴിഞ്ഞ തവണ സിന്ധു കത്തോലിക്ക spokeman അച്ചനെ kandappol പത്രത്തില് വന്ന പടം ഓര്മ്മയുണ്ടോ?.) ഇതാണ് secularism.
ഇതിനെതിരെ എന്തെങ്കിലും orthodox -കാരന് ഉരിയാടിയാല് secular ചിന്ത ഇല്ലാത്ത അവന് ജനാധിപത്യത്തിന്റെ മുമ്പിലും, കര്ത്താവിന്റെ മുമ്പിലും ഒരുപോലെ പാപം ചെയ്തു. ഇനി അവനെ ക്രിസ്ത്യാനി എന്ന് വിളിക്കാന് പാടില്ല. കൂടാതെ രാഷ്ട്രീയക്കാരുടെ വക തീരുമാന്നം: സഭ രാഷ്ട്രീയത്തില് ഇടപെടുന്നു ആയതിനാല് ഈ ഓര്ത്തഡോക്സ് സഭയിലെ അംഗങ്ങള്ക്ക് ഭാവിയിലും ഒരു സീറ്റും നല്കാന് പാടില്ല….
Almost all sicussion forums in our Church is no occupied by people who are not in any way connected with church.
Whatever they write ordinary members of the Church knwo how to handle it even without HH Bava Thirumeni issuing an idayalekhanam like Catholics do.
ONE QUESTION TO CONGRESSMEN WHO DEMAND delinking of plitics and religion
If you are so secular, CAN YOU DENOUNCE IDAYALEKHANAM OF CATHOLIC BISHOPS ASKNG ITS PEOPLE NOT TO ASSOCIATE WITH A POLITICAL PARTY?
@ Reni...Are you sure that Edward edayzhath was syro malabar nominee? possibility is latin catholic,.... am not sure. Anyway ee thavana orthodox-kaarum Yacobaayakkarum UDF-nu ethiraayathu kondu LDF thanne adhikarathil varumallo!!! Athrem santhosham..Result varumbol ariyam randu koottarudem jana shakthi..Lol
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